I’ve been researching old records. Oh my! Talk about being offensive at least by current standards.
European birth records from the 1800s list whether a child is legitimate or illegitimate. Yep, it has its own column. Whoa! Seriously? Was the mother required to wear a scarlet “A” on her pinafore? What about the father? Perhaps they had pillories for offenders. Sometimes there were notations (totally unreadable) and the check was crossed out and moved to the legit column. A sign of a shotgun marriage? Was this the start of gun rights?
That was shocking enough but moving over to ‘Merica! Marriage records from the early twentieth century in the United States had the damnedest questions!
“Are you an imbecile, epileptic, of unsound mind or under the guardianship of a person with an unsound mind?”
Yes that’s a real question. Remember that imbecile is not the insult you hurled at the person sitting across the aisle in 6th grade. It’s a medical term. It means stupid. (Yes, I looked it up for you. You’re welcome!)
Just for a second can you imagine anyone checking that off? I know for a fact that stupid people got married and procreated. They are still around today. Had people been honest, this group would have died out by now. Just like dinosaurs.
Epileptic? Epilepsy is a neurological disorder. Perhaps back then they thought it was a sign of the devil. Or black magic.
Unsound mind. We all know those people married and procreated and voted for very weird candidates! How can you call your parents unsound (unless you saw their voting record!)?
“Are you under the influence of intoxicating liquor or narcotics?” Do you know any drunk or addict who freely admits it? Would they check off a box? Not unless it came with a free drink or doobie. (Is that an old term? Did I just age myself?)
“Have you lived in an asylum or house for the indigent within the last five years?” Not exactly sure what the asylum part was getting to but was it bad to be poor? Perhaps poor people couldn’t marry. At least for five years. That gave them time to win the lottery.
“Are you able to support a family?” That question needs to be asked of every person prior to sex. Perhaps there’s an app for that.
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Very funny…but I don’t think one beer will be enough..:)
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Sometimes it’s not.
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I am laughing my head off! I wonder who got to decide whether someone was an imbecile or not. I know there is a lot of criticism today from some corners not happy with being so sensitive–I hate the “snowflake” comments–but I’m glad we’ve moved on from these questions! Wow…but still laughing!
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Me too. I can see 6 year olds filling those out with relish!
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Before we married, we had to take a blood test. (Are they still doing that?) They found that our blood was incompatible since I was rh negative We got married anyway. Fortunately, they invented the serum to solve the rh problem while I was pregnant.
Unpleasant words fall out of fashion so quickly. I wonder how many words we went through to get from imbecile to mentally challenged.
I’m must be old enough to know, but I don’t know what a doobie is.
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Blood tests weren’t required when I got married 10 years ago so maybe not anymore. I thought it was to check for syphilis but I guess not. From my grade school days I remember imbecile, moron and retard. They were never used in a medical fashion but to hurl insults (until the nun overheard us). I don’t know what kids use today. A doobie is a marijuana cigarette. You were lucky with your rh factor. I had a girlfriend who lost her first child but was able to carry a second one to full term with great results.
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The first “swear” word my grandson had to learn not to say was “stupid.”
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They pick it up early! 🙂
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Can you imagine, someone actually checking that box? Probably a needed question to raise, in these parts.
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In many parts!
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I’m all for imbeciles marrying if they want, but perhaps we could discourage them from procreating (or running for president).
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Required sterility. Sounds archaic but effective.
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Looking back always is interesting – and funny. (So many can’t accept context and only get outraged these days, right?)
I wonder, how many could actually read what was written, did nervousness at being judged or not understanding language or dialect give odd answers (people have to blurt stuff out and can’t seem to stop with one word answers when it would be smart…if only we heard the verbal responses…and prep by others before the quiz)
Wonder if these questions weren’t an early form of “not my fault, they said…” CYA? (and possible grounds for separation/spouse abuse later when the real truth emerged?)
Real life is so much better than fiction!
Loved the post – and that you’re having fun with it all
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I envision my 7th grade nun teacher with a ruler in her hand waiting to whack anyone who did anything asking the questions. Yes, that’s a real thing. They did that then. Today they’d be jailed. Funny how we all turned out ok. Or did we?
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We always heard about those nuns and rulers (shiver). Shame, guilt, embarrassing your family could be equally painful to us. (and as you say, funny…)
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Nothing was as painful as being shamed in front of the class. It was worse than the ruler but a ruler attack brought shame too.
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Lessons learned. Consequences for actions…and best obey rules in school and out. (I think a high school friend had scars from ruler corrections in elementary school – those nuns were nothing to laugh at…people took seriously parent’s threats “Behave in school or you’ll end up going to St Agnes…or similar name”)
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Nuns were the Catholic version of armed teachers.
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Fascinating. I had no idea about these categories. I suppose no one thought a second thing about asking questions like these. Talk about different times…
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Some of these were church records. I can see a (horny) crusty old priest eyeing up a young maiden with a babe in her arm, casting a judgmental eye. There were tons of illegits too. No birth control and probably no sex education, just hormones driving everything.
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I think it’s pretty hilarious that this was all on the honor system.
Also, the problem with stupid people is that they’re too stupid to know they’re stupid. They think they’re brilliant. Don’t believe me? Did you see Nurnberg on CNN?!
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Nunberg. (Honestly, autocorrect, try and keep up with the reality TV that is our current White House.)
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Yes I did. I saw a series of his interviews at various places. As I said, stupid did not die out as intended.
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Love the voting record observation. 🙂
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Particularly appropriate these days.
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Hi, Kate – I am so glad that you still find time to blog while being held captive in the ‘ancestry research tunnel’. I need my morning chuckle!
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Thanks. I have been taking big breathers as I’ve bumped into some walls. I am amused by what other generations thought was important. Spelling, not so much but they did note babies outside of marriage.
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That’s pretty funny Kate. Anywhere on those questions does it ask if they are telling the truth?
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No, I don’t think that was important enough to record.
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Glad you’re getting a kick out of your research, Kate . . . but don’t forget to stay hydrated! 😀
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Starbucks, margaritas, beer…I’m good. Oh yes, water too.
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Of course you are finding the most outrageously funny things in your ancestry search. Only an imbecile would check off “imbecile.”
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That’s a thought! I didn’t find any that checked it off.
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You should write a book about your discoveries!
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Can’t figure out the genre. Would it be a hysterical fiction?
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A fascinating look into a world I’d rather keep in the past!
There’s an app for everything. 😆
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My brother thought it may have to do with inheritance laws back then. Still….
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Fascinating as you delve deeper!
Can you imagine what birth certificates will look like in say 100 years? Sex : V (varied), N (neither) TBA (to be advised) E (either)
Parents; M32 and F50 . I shudder to think where we’re going with ourselves!
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You forgot one more choice. Around here I’m finding “prefer not to answer” as a choice when filling out forms. 🙂
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Good point! I had forgotten that.
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I’ve ordered pizza and beer for you. It’s easy to lose track of time when you’re researching! 🙂
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Thanks! I appreciate that!
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I was going to type what Clowie typed… sending pizza and beer/wine/margaritas! I am afraid to even get started on the ancestry thing right now. I have an older cousin who did all that on my father’s side and I went glassy eyed and brain dumb trying to follow her. I would enjoy it much more if I was doing it myself like you and doing it on my Mom’s side of the family who are supposedly Irish! It’s nice to be preoccupied with something you really enjoy doing!
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It’s like a very big puzzle.
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What wild things you are uncovering. Goodness!
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Yes! Can you imagine having someone noting they are an imbecile on a form?
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nevertheless it is super interesting….we had an old police record because one of my ancestors was an artist and created his own money… we howled with laughter, but for this guy it was probably not really funny :O)
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You have interesting ancestors!
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